At Claremont McKenna College, Prof. Michael Fortner spoke with Prof. Glenn Loury about antiracism:

https://glennloury.substack.com/p/the-false-god-of-antiracism?fbclid=IwAR36q7zXS2qVLjU5dUlKfE0Crdybq6r6wfKkJi_IktOMXlvmQZbVy4xKicU