What does principled public service look like when the ground is shifting under your feet? In this candid conversation, former U.S. Representative David Dreier ’75 and former White House Counsel John W. Dean III will compare the opportunities and ethical hazards of governing in two turbulent eras—the Nixon years and the age of Trump. Expect a spirited exchange on rule of law, executive power, congressional leadership, media and transparency, and how institutions—and the people inside them—can steady democracy when politics runs hot.